Let’s start with the Mogul and Philanthropist Ted Turner, I found some insight into the man through his autobiography “Call Me Ted” in the form of book reviews where apparently what I wanted to focus on was thinly written about. A couple of notable things said of his book; “If I could change the book at all I might have had him pause more and explain at greater length some of his transitions from conservative to liberal and from Christian to agnostic. That would have been interesting but I think he wanted to focus on the business stuff, which I suppose is smart.”
“Turner also notes that alternative energy is needed today, not tomorrow; population growth must be stabilized; land must be conserved; and nuclear weapons must be eliminated around the globe.”
These reviews reveal that during the latter part of his career his value system transformed. Ted exemplified his determination toward the realization of these values with a 1 billion dollar contribution for development of an agency that could fulfill his vision of negating impending threats from humanity on planet earth. The chosen agency to control humanity was an existing parent organization widely perceived as an aid for the human condition, the United Nations. In 1998 two more arms of this expansive enterprise was founded, these were named the United Nations Foundation and The Better World Fund.
For a sound argument against population control read this article written by Walter E. Williams from George Mason University “Population Control Nonsense”. Not many understand the full negative impact China felt from their meddling with family planning. The one child rule led to numerous amendments over the century as the error kept exposing adverse results, even ignoring the millions exterminated for not being the prefered sex. In the end there was a severe female population shortage. When all those male babies grew to the age of marriage they were robbed of the fulfillment of life while encouraging more criminal atrocities on women in the form of organized female abductions and arranged marriages for those with power or money. This outcome should have been weighed more heavily from population control activists and more appropriately viewed as a major history lesson, an obvious blunder of playing God. Oh…and by the way here is a pat answer for “What percentage of land on earth is dominated by humans?” Answer: 29% of Earth is land mass. Of that 29% humans occupy less than 1% of that area. Of the remaining 28% about 40% is pure wilderness. 14% is true desert and 15% has desert like characteristics. 9% is Antarctica. Most of the remaining 22% are agricultural areas. There may be other areas with a human footprint of some kind but it is insignificant in any relation to global warming.
As found on the UN Foundation site ”About the UN - The UN Foundation, a public charity, was created in 1998 with entrepreneur and philanthropist Ted Turner’s historic $1 billion gift to support UN causes and activities. We are an advocate for the UN and a platform for connecting people, ideas and resources to help the United Nations solve global problems.”
The UN’s very mission is to reduce the growing population under the guise of helping humanity, with that they have cleverly postured themselves, infiltrating each corner of every nation with special focus on convincing the more industrialized countries of their benefit. All these years later it turns out that the conspiracy theorists were not constructing a theory at all but trying to warn of the dangers growing for world dominance. Ted Turner’s ideals and effort was not a solitary one while public protectors have been taking notes, one of these is a British writer Davide Icke, read The Green Genocide Agenda: Saving the Earth by Killing Humans.
I’m hoping readers take the time for engagement in provided links, all the pieces of the puzzle exist, you just have to examine the pieces a little bit then move them into place. Obama has just passed a bill that gives the IMF (International Monetary Fund) more power and control. I don’t know what was discussed at the G-20 summit but this message from IMF’s managing Director Dominique Strauss-Kahn about the 2010 Economic Forum contained a twice reminder that the stimulus measures taken for government is the way to go with the warning of not letting up too soon. He also states that the mounting debt is a secondary issue that can be addressed any time later. This should be of particular concern for those opposed to generational theft or those that believe in liberty, we are getting our Country’s directives from an outside organization that is against fiscally responsible measures. The director also warns that the G-20 Countries work more unilaterally and made mention of the US and UK unveiling various taxes and proposals.
What I surmised the overall gist of this message is a stern warning the “one fits all” solution that was proposed at the summit must be adhered to and that other creative measures to shore up the bleeding frowned upon. If they have to come down there and help, they will so keep spending your nations wealth.
Was the focus of the 2010 Economic Forum really adding rebar to the foundation of the co-ordination of international regulation of the financial institutions, calling it “Co-ordination of Regulation”? Putting the American economy under international regulation sounds like a factual conspiracy come true to me. When executing a scheme of ill intent away from public scrutiny, it’s highly unlikely and incredulously errant if safeguards were not established in advance to have been passed the point of no return when those who would have opposed woke up ( that means us). Any nefarious plan has to be implemented under cover, we wouldn’t outright sacrifice our sovereignty for a supposed “better world”. Those in power consistently believe they know more than us how things should evolve. If they face resistance it is due to our ignorance, after all steps were successfully incorporated to confuse the people by making the system as logically complicated as possible. They campaign daily to prove they are better equipped to handle National decisions (even for fabricated events). We have a litany of decisions gone bad within the leadership over the centuries. This is an interview with Dick Morris as he discusses the very point of G-20 posturing for a one world government.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW5Jv-TRXh0
It turns out that the conspiracy theorists were right, the planners have been patient, usurping sovereignty one incremental victory at a time. The John Birch Society has been sounding the alarms for 50 or more years. The JBS.org website has a greatly detailed article tying recent events toward the global move process.
I’m having a real difficult time wrapping my head around why our President thinks it okay to raise IMF contributions by 80 billion and why it was hidden in a Defense Bill. The IMF is an institution of The United Nations and gets their money from quotas, they are the third largest official gold holder in the world.
It is remarkably easy to visualize The Fall of the Republic in this documentary exposing games politics play with our lives. Somehow, we still have the freedom to choose oblivion…lucky us.
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February 3, 2010 at 12:55 am
finance careers
Good article….
thankyou for your information so very helpfull to me. Keep the good work!!!
February 3, 2010 at 10:42 am
comdenom
You’re welcome, there is increasingly more information out there as more people are putting things together, I’ve recently read quite a few good articles.
February 3, 2010 at 9:34 am
ernie1241
The “JBS alarm” has been false — as evidenced by (1) the content of FBI investigative files and (2) the jury decision in the historic precedent libel lawsuit which the Birch Society lost to Elmer Gertz.
For more details, see:
FBI FILES ON JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY:
http://ernie1241.googlepages.com/jbs-1
February 3, 2010 at 11:59 am
comdenom
I appreciate your life-long work and can’t imagine the government with all its power and resources wouldn’t want to discredit an organization set out to do it harm. I believe it is also possible for it to gain some victories along the way, without viewing the actual court documents it’s hard to discern if those victories were a result of technicalities or not. How would you explain the exponential growth of the United Nations, National Governments kowtowing to the UN, where all their philosophies and agendas are being accomplished? What do you say about the Climategate debacle and the UN’s marching forth with focus on the population? The UN’s argument being population numbers are too high and evidence attempting control of population numbers, their first target is women. What would you think is the next step when they are not getting satisfactory co-operation? First they disarm us, how long has that effort been in effect? They will keep trying until they get their control. Read this from the UN site; don’t forget to view the video. http://www.unfpa.org/swp/
February 3, 2010 at 12:17 pm
ernie1241
COMDENOM:
Everything you have written in your reply to my message has been standard extreme right dogma for more than 8 decades.
There is an obvious internal contradiction in most conspiracy theories: we are asked to believe that a government cabal or elite group of insiders can manipulate events and people at will but, then, we are confronted almost daily by the untidy reality of how often government displays its incompetence.
As one observer recently commented conspiracy theories
“…undermines a crucial argument of conservatism: that the government becomes far less competent as it grows. Think about it. Such theories require that both U.S. political parties, despite all their differences, unite for a choreographed effort to bring about a socialist new world order in concert with a host of other countries, political parties, and businessmen. Tens of thousands of people must be involved with complete devotion, with none defecting out of moral conviction, and all resisting the temptation to become rich and famous by exposing the conspiracy. Now, that’s competence! If they can pull that off, then government-run health care is a cinch! The whole problem with [conspiracy theory] arguments is that big government is not flawlessly competent. Look at Katrina. Look at Iraq. A massive conspiracy on this order cannot be carried out without betrayal and leaks taking place. If governments like Iran and China, with all their brutality, can’t keep their secrets from getting out, how can a greater number of countries and powerful individuals and organizations with greater restraint on enforcing their secrecy pull it off?”
With respect to your comment about viewing “actual court documents” — unlike yourself I have a copy of the trial transcript so I can fully understand why an appeals court in the Gertz matter stated that…
“There was more than enough evidence for the jury to conclude that this article was published with utter disregard for the truth or falsity of the statements contained in the article about Gertz.” [U.S. Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit, No. 81-2483, Elmer Gertz v. Robert Welch, Inc., 6/16/82, page 20].
Furthermore, during the Oral Arguments before the U.S. Supreme Court on 11/14/73, the Birch Society was represented by Clyde J. Watts (a JBS National Council member).
During the oral arguments, Clyde Watts was asked by a Justice:
“I understand Counsel brought a petition to say that it had been conceded at the trial that the article was libelous – do you deny that?”
Watts observed that he did not think the article was libelous but he acknowledged that during the original trial
“It was conceded that some of the remarks in the article were false.”
Watts further acknowledged that:
“Under Illinois law, the inference and impact of the article, absent the New York Times concept, would be libelous in Illinois. I think the Court is accurate in that observation.”
So—no legal “technicalities” enter this discussion.
The Birch Society engaged in malicious libel which is why punitive damages were awarded. Punitive damages are only allowed when “reckless disregard for truth” can be established.
On 6/25/74, U.S. Supreme Court Justice Lewis F. Powell delivered the U.S. Supreme Court decision [docket number 72-617] which pertained to the appeal of the first Gertz trial verdict.
Justice Powell stated that this defamation lawsuit…
“involves a libel action by a reputable attorney against a magazine that falsely libeled him ‘a Leninist’ and a ‘Communist-fronter’.”
The operative word there is FALSELY
February 3, 2010 at 2:58 pm
comdenom
That’s funny that everything I’ve written in my reply is standard extreme right dogma, I’m not even right wing. My political affiliations were nil before conception of this blog. I was politically oblivious when I started smelling something fishy; all my research led me to the longstanding conspiracy of which I was previously unaware.
I personally cannot stand on a particular court decision without knowing the players reputations. I have seen many court decisions, including supreme courts that I am diametrically opposed to which only further points to the gross flaws in our system. With your investigative prowess, perhaps you should research the collapse of our financial industry, when and why Fannie and Freddy had the ability to abuse the system and why they got bailouts instead dismantling. Why did previous administrations ignore the dangers, did they assume flying under the radar was permanent?
“…involved with complete devotion, with none defecting out of moral conviction, and all resisting the temptation to become rich and famous by exposing the conspiracy.” If no moral conviction were present in the first place, how can that be an impetus for doing the right thing? Exposing the truth or world dominance…hmm, what would be more profitable for someone whose moral conviction was replaced with insatiable thirst of power and riches, not to mention all the worlds resources? It looks to me by the very nature of this post that leaks are indeed taking place.
February 3, 2010 at 3:33 pm
ernie1241
Obviously, you don’t have to be “right-wing” to parrot right-wing dogma just as gullible or ill-informed people in the 1930′s and 1940′s unknowingly parroted extreme left radical ideas.
However, there are some concepts which have originated exclusively with the extreme right in our country…and the hyperbolic no-prisoners language that they typically use to characterize their perceived political opponents always gives away the ideological pre-disposition of adherents of those ideas.
Your anti-UN comments, for example, are standard extreme right dogma. Your characterization of the UN as being some sinister organization where “National Governments kowtowing to the UN, where all their philosophies and agendas are being accomplished” is so totally absurd on its face that it doesn’t even deserve comment. The UN is totally impotent. It was DESIGNED to be impotent unless sovereign governments could agree to cooperate.
Whenever and wherever there is ANY crisis in the world — the UN has no ability to do ANYTHING unless individual governments agree to provide the resources needed to accomplish something. If they refuse — then NOTHING is done.
GERTZ: Again, the important point is not your personal opinion (or even mine). The salient fact is that even the Birch Society’s own lawyer (a JBS official) — acknowledged to the Supreme Court during Oral Arguments that the article which the JBS published in its magazine DID contain “falsehoods” and was “libelous” under existing Illinois law.
Two different juries on two different occasions concluded that the article was libelous. So did all the appeals courts. So did the U.S. Supreme Court.
Obviously, the standards for what constitutes verifiable factual evidence in a courtroom environment is much more stringent than in casual discussions in, for example, an on-line blog or message board.
Furthermore, historically in the U.S., plaintiffs in defamation lawsuits have always faced extremely difficult criteria for prevailing in their libel lawsuits. In fact, the Gertz matter consumed 14 years (!!) of litigation.
So, I repeat my original comment:
The “JBS alarm” has been false — as evidenced by
(1) the content of FBI investigative files and
(2) the jury decision in the historic precedent-setting libel lawsuit which the Birch Society lost to Elmer Gertz.
For more details, see:
FBI FILES ON JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY:
http://ernie1241.googlepages.com/jbs-1
February 4, 2010 at 1:06 am
comdenom
The libel suit and holding J. Edgar Hoover in such high esteem is not convincing me the Birch Society’s views of a one world government is incorrect.
The left and the right should equally be concerned about the degradation of the Constitution. The founder’s wealth, sweat and blood went into creating the checks and balances to protect our unalienable rights. Heads of state should not be signing treaties that put our sovereignty at risk. Do you think the UN treaties do not or will never supersede our constitution? Our national goal is to protect the United States from enemies (threats whether outside or within). The dangers from those with power can deal us the bigger blow. It’s our responsibility to monitor, detect, discuss, question and call for the necessary action. We’d be remiss if we dismissed conspiracy theories without investigation, as we would be remiss to simply believe government will always do the right thing.
I don’t like the agenda-21 playbook the UN has set out for our governments to govern, I don’t like their preoccupation with population control, I don’t agree with the UN’s treaties imposed on us in the name of looking out for our health, usurping our individual decision to make those calls. I don’t like the fact they are above our law with special priveleges and immunities. Here is a 14 page list of treaties and they can’t even give us the details. http://treaties.un.org/doc/source/events/2009/Treaties/list_english.pdf
February 4, 2010 at 6:37 am
ernie1241
Again, you mis-characterize the issue at hand.
The FBI is an institution. It has employed tens of thousands of investigators over the past 70 years. By law, it is our nation’s primary internal security agency and it receives data regarding subversive and criminal activities from scores of independent outside sources including local and state law enforcement agencies (Police Chiefs, County Sheriffs, State Police, State Attorneys General etc), military intelligence, thousands of informants within legitimate and subversive organizations — to name but a few.
By contrast, the Birch Society has never had access to classified data or to thousands of informants or to the intelligence which pours into the FBI every day of its existence or to the investigative data developed by FBI Agents. Consequently, it is free to INVENT any fiction it wants. For example: suppose the JBS says that person “x” is a Communist or Communist sympathizer. But suppose you had access to transcripts of secret closed meetings of senior Communist Party officials (as well as informants within the CPUSA) and you discover that CPUSA officials constantly denounce person “x” as an enemy to their beliefs and values. Would you just ignore that data and believe the JBS instead?
UN treaties do not supersede our Constitution. That is settled American law and no Congress will ever change that.
What you seem to misunderstand about most political conspiracy theories is that they are constructed to be self-sealing. In other words, there is no possible way to falsify their premises and conclusions because normal rules of logic and evidence are not applicable to them.
In fact, how DO YOU decide WHICH conspiracy theory to believe? Many of them are mutually exclusive — i.e. they can’t all be accurate and truthful because they contradict each other.
Give me an example of ANY conspiracy theory whose author and adherents have acknowledged materially important errors. The answer is NONE.
For further details regarding the nature and purpose of conspiracy theories see my article here: http://ernie1241.googlepages.com/ct-1
February 4, 2010 at 12:03 pm
comdenom
There are or have been those that have honorably served, they are not my focus. My focus is on those that have been successful or attempting to fundamentally restructure our Republic and sovereignty. Those are people that have marxist, communist, socialist, collectivism, genocidal or fascist philosophies, all against individual freedom. It is irresponsible to assume that any government organization or parts thereof is always on the up and up. Why concern yourself with groups that are void of power and ignore the groups that do? Our government is so fraught with corruption and errors, siding with them only serve as counterproductive and redundant at the expense of the people. Our charge is to be vigilant and skeptical, the Birch Society promotes thought at least. The corruption is due to the nature of the design, man is inherently evil, give him power and the temptation is often too great, hence the reason for having three equal parts to government. UN officials have more rights than you do, that in of itself should be a red flag to everyone.
“Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one; for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries by a government, which we might expect in a country without government, our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer.” –Thomas Paine
February 4, 2010 at 12:17 pm
ernie1241
Well, that certainly is a breathtaking principle you are advocating!
Imagine you lived in 1914 Russia or 1933 Germany and somebody warned you about the Bolsheviks and Nazis respectively.
Would your reply have been: “Why concern yourself with groups that are void of power and ignore the groups that do?”
The Birch Society DOES NOT “promote thought”. Precisely the opposite. It wants to SHUT DOWN analysis and conversation. For 50 years it has attacked and defamed not only virtually our entire national political leadership (Democrat and Republican, liberal and conservative) — but it also has sought to de-legitimize and demonize ANYBODY who dares to contradict their assertions. Which is why the JBS or its surrogates have lost numerous libel lawsuits!
Giants within the anti-communist and conservative intellectual and political activist communities denounced and rejected the JBS as inept, ignorant, and harmful to our politics. That includes such prominent conservatives and anti-communists as: Sen. Barry Goldwater, Sen. John Tower, Cong. Walter Judd, Russell Kirk, James Burnham, William F. Buckley Jr., Gen. Albert Wedemeyer, Col. William R. Kintner, Frank Meyer, Eugene Lyons, the editors of Human Events, William Loeb, James J. Kilpatrick, Ronald Reagan and many more.
FACTS matter.
ACCURATE history matters.
MISTAKEN IDEAS if believed — usually have adverse consequences.
If you think that the Birch Society is a reliable and credible source of information, you are gravely misinformed. Even former members and officials and writers for the JBS left the Society in disgust and they often wrote resignation letters that revealed that previous criticisms by left-wing individuals and organizations were accurate! EVEN MRS. WELCH (Robert’s widow) resigned from the JBS and denounced their new leaders!
More info: http://ernie1241.googlepages.com/jbs-1
February 4, 2010 at 11:01 pm
comdenom
“The Birch Society DOES NOT “promote thought”. Precisely the opposite. It wants to SHUT DOWN analysis and conversation.” What you have uncovered and vehemently oppose is the Birchers objective to fight communism using communism’s own techniques — organization of front groups, infiltration of other groups and letter-writing campaigns.
“Welch saw “collectivism” as the main threat to western civilization, and liberals as secret communist traitors who provide the cover for the gradual process of collectivism, with the ultimate goal of replacing the nations of western civilization with one-world socialist government. “There are many stages of welfarism, socialism, and collectivism in general,” he wrote, “but communism is the ultimate state of them all, and they all lead inevitably in that direction.”
February 5, 2010 at 11:29 am
ernie1241
Once again you are mistaken. I oppose the JBS because it circulates FALSE information –and– it poisons our political discourse by attacking the character, integrity, patriotism and loyalty of ANYBODY who challenges their premises and conclusions.
The Birch Society is NOT an “educational” organization. It is a propaganda outlet. Genuine educational groups SEARCH FOR truth and are eager to discover and review new data. By contrast, the JBS thinks it already is in possession of ULTIMATE FINAL TRUTH — and anybody who disputes it is probably an agent of the conspiracy which they think is in operation.
What you do not realize because you have never carefully studied the JBS is that even the sources that they rely upon and recommend as entirely knowledgeable, reliable, and authoritative often contradict JBS conclusions. For example: several JBS members/endorsers and later JBS speakers who previously were FBI informants within the CPUSA contradict standard JBS dogma about our national civil rights organizations and leaders.
Furthermore, when you examine transcripts of closed secret CPUSA meetings — including reports from FBI moles inside the CP — such as from the most important moles we ever had inside the CPUSA (Morris and Jack Childs) — it is clear that JBS assertions are utter falsehoods!
During the Watts Riots in 1965 the FBI in Los Angeles prepared a memo for HQ which pointed out that there were 50 African-American members of the Communist Party in Los Angeles. Of those 50, 22 were FBI informants!!! So you can compare JBS hallucinations and fictions to what 22 FBI informants within the CPUSA provided — and none of those persons knew about the other informants. Then — you can also review the transcripts of secret Southern California Communist Party meetings where senior CPUSA officials spoke — and you discover, once again, that JBS claims about the origins of the Watts Riots were total falsehoods.
So — again — if you PREFER to believe the JBS version of our history — that is your privilege — but just don’t pretend that it is accurate history.
February 5, 2010 at 4:30 pm
comdenom
“I oppose the JBS because it circulates FALSE information…” These are the same tactics used by the radical left, what is that closest too? Communism, have you read the communist manifesto? Who believes FBI informants are above communistic tendencies? What is your opinion on factual proof that Liberal values only are taught in our educational system, one of the many reasons why this organization should not be government run but privatized? What I’m saying is my research has led to the long standing conspiracy theory, what I’ve read from literature and articles written by Birchers I believe to be correct and it has appealed to my common sense.
What do you make of the recent call from the UN banning fishing of Bluefin Tuna? The call is for Bluefin Tuna to be listed on the highest possible endangerment and protection of species list that is designated as Appendices l, Appendix I includes species threatened with extinction. Trade in specimens of these species is permitted only in exceptional circumstances. If trade is permitted only in exceptional circumstances, what could possibly be their logic for allowing trade at all, what could possibly be an “exceptional circumstance”?
“CITES is an international agreement to which States (countries) adhere voluntarily. States that have agreed to be bound by the Convention (‘joined’ CITES) are known as Parties. Although CITES is legally binding on the Parties – in other words they have to implement the Convention – it does not take the place of national laws. Rather it provides a framework to be respected by each Party, which has to adopt its own domestic legislation to ensure that CITES is implemented at the national level.” Note: is legally binding and it goes on to say it does not take the place of national laws but national law has to implement the Cite framework. As long as the species is not considered as “commercial trade” its okay to fish. What does commercial trade mean? Anything that is bought and sold — it’s a consumer food product for crying out loud, with livelihood implications. The official quota for 2009 was 19,950 tonnes, that’s a lot of tuna for a near extinct species. Do we believe the science honest and credible just like the science from IPCC about global warming? Do we assume the money that gets funneled into the UN and its assorted agencies from our pockets don’t get used for propaganda campaigns against us to prove we need further regulation? Are all the 34,000 species on their list of endangered or near endangerment of extinction really in danger or is it a profitable and a novel way to legitimately thief a cut of profit through regulation, selling permits and fines for non-conformists? Is the extinction issue just another alarm?
“It is a very small part of the overall market of overall trade in tuna. It is the top end of the market, the luxury tuna,” David Morgan, head of CITES scientific unit said. They just want their cut of the most lucrative part of tuna commerce, and somehow this small portion is endangered. I choose to rely on my power of reasoning to answer these questions proposed. Because I encourage you to draw your own conclusions let’s agree to disagree respectively.
February 5, 2010 at 6:45 pm
ernie1241
It is not “a tactic” and your attempt to smear me by linking me to the “radical left” is typical Bircher malicious commentary.
Notice that when you confront inconvenient data, you FIRST instinct is to discredit it — not investigate it carefully. Thus, you write:
“Who believes FBI informants are above communistic tendencies?”
Your FIRST instinct is to slime EVERYONE who was an FBI informant instead of carefully reviewing specific data to determine what is valid and deserves serious consideration.
OK–let’s play by YOUR rules.
A very substantial proportion of JBS literature is informed and documented by the testimony of former informants (including FBI, INS, ATF, and others).
Consequently, using your scheme of things, we should now DISCARD EVERYTHING those informants ever wrote or said — no matter how many OTHER informants or other intelligence sources corroborated the sworn testimony of those informants.
Consequently, in YOUR scheme of things, the Birch Society has deliberately circulated FALSE data for more than 50 years and ALL of it should now be discarded. Check out the recommended reading list in the 1961 JBS Bulletin. About 75% of it is based upon informant testimony. So eliminate ALL of that.
February 5, 2010 at 9:53 pm
comdenom
I apologize for not being clear with the tactic comment. My point was, as I previously stated that JBS uses those tactics, they use the same tacts that radical left or communists use, turning communism’s own weapons against them. I certainly had no intent on smearing you, as I said before I appreciate your life-long work and think it’s impressive. To explain further, my intent is not to smear the FBI or FBI informants only to raise the point that informants like anybody else is not above communistic tendencies, there very well could have been those that were in fact communists. All things should be considered.
I will check out your recommended reading, perhaps you in turn will research Fannie and Freddy.
February 5, 2010 at 10:12 pm
ernie1241
But the Birch Society claims that “Communist tactics” are immoral and must be rejected by all decent honorable beings so for you to say they are using such tactics is quite remarkable.
You don’t intend to smear the FBI or FBI informants? Then you must be totally ignorant of how the informant system operated.
1. Each field office performed an extensive background investigation of each potential informant (whether for criminal or subversive matters)
2. Then the informant was placed on probationary status.
3. Information supplied by each informant was evaluated and their data was characterized as “reliable” or “unreliable” or “unknown reliability”
4. This process was repeated on a regular basis. Informants who testified under oath in court or administrative proceedings had their testimony reviewed, line-by-line by the FBI to see if there were any discrepancies compared to their reports that they provided to the FBI.
5. Any informants who were found to be dishonest or emotionally unstable or otherwise subject to legitimate concerns about their truthfulness were dropped. For example: Matt Cvetic (who later was a JBS member) was dropped because of his alcoholism, emotional instability, and dishonesty.
6. The Bureau poured over every informant’s personal life — so that ANYTHING that might be used to discredit them would be known before they testified.
7. I suggest that you examine the many fine books and articles which have been written about FBI informants and the rigorous standards they were subjected to. There is absolutely no factual evidence to support your derogatory insinuations.
However, I do not mean to suggest that everything an informant reported to his/her FBI contact was accurate. Many times informant reports contradicted each other — as you would expect — because informants provide RAW information and that information had to be evaluated to determine which was true, false, exaggerated, incomplete, ambiguous, etc. The job of FBI investigators was to determine which data was credible and which was not.
Again, you prefer to insinuate that informants might have “communistic tendencies” so that any data they provide which the FBI considered valid BUT which YOU disagree with can then be instantly de-valued, dismissed or ignored.
In other words, it is your intellectual escape hatch. You don’t have to provide any specific factual evidence—you just leave the innuendo hanging in the air — another typical JBS tactic.
February 8, 2010 at 3:26 pm
comdenom
http://www.petitiononline.com/DaNakota/petition.html
http://www.judibari.org/COINTELPRO-OOP_020514.pdf
http://www.sosbeevfbi.com/fbimisconduct.html
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2004/02/19/243/74790
http://www.freewebs.com/misconduct/
http://iusbvision.wordpress.com/2008/12/26/senator-stevens-may-walk-prosecutorial-and-fbi-misconduct-could-get-stevens-conviction-overturned/
http://www.aclu.org/national-security/inspector-generals-report-concludes-fbi-translator-fired-reporting-misconduct
http://fbiwhistlestop.com/FBI/FBItheftreport.pdf
http://articles.latimes.com/2002/dec/06/nation/na-briefs6
http://www.november.org/razorwire/rzold/06/0609.html
http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Alt/alt.true-crime/2006-01/msg01125.html
http://truthinjustice.org/FBI-lab-misconduct.htm
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/17/us/ex-fbi-agent-sentenced-for-helping-mob-leaders.html?pagewanted=1
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/serialset/creports/pdf/108-414/views1.pdf
http://www.defraudingamerica.com/sen_hutchinson_may22_2002.pdf
http://www.opednews.com/articles/ACLU-cites-COINTELPRO-misc-by-Michael-Richardson-081015-435.html
http://www.492cafe.org/audio/events/2007_11_16-convictions/
http://hnn.us/articles/13170.html
February 25, 2010 at 9:08 pm
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